Guest Posted November 5, 2017 The Rotate Network modernises the way we experience flight and ATC simulation. Rotate is not just here to give you another virtual aviation network because what we are building is bigger than that. More importantly, what we are building is for the long-haul, with regular updates for all parts of the network. The features which have already been announced won’t just develop themselves, though. We plan to run on a small membership fee. 9 EUR per person, per month (or your regional equivalent) Pilot Highlights For virtual pilots we include a Pilot Client, which gives you features made for hassle-free piloting. There should be as little as possible in the way of you getting into the cockpit. You have the option to fly missions as a freelance pilot or part of an airline; see other planes in real-time, and keep track of where and how you fly. Here are just a few of the available features:MissionsReal-Time SynchronisationEnhanced Pilot DashboardPilot LogbookCPDLC For Pilots ATC Highlights Controllers are the heart of the logistics in virtual aviation. Features have been introduced over the past decade in order to streamline your controller experience. We want you to become the best controller you can be whilst enjoying all the tools of the trade available to real-world ATC. The changes we have planned for the Rotate Network will make for the most memorable and well-executed sessions of your flight sim career. Everyone interested in becoming an air traffic controller should have an easier time of getting started. New users won’t be scared away by unnecessary administrative steps, so you will feel at home in the controller community and can focus on what is important to you. Additionally, we will support Rating Transfers so all your hard-earned certification will carry over to being a controller with Rotate. Here are just some of the available features for controllers:CPDLC For ATCMode-S Selected Flight Info StripMETARVoice-triangulationTime-based Separation PlannerWeather RadarElectronic Flight Strips Rotate Manager From here you can load your pilot client, look at pilot career stats or invest time into a career path; load your ATC client, look at controller stats and certification progress; access radar imaging, maps and training modules and sink your teeth into airline management. Rotate Manager is also a tool for all airlines on the Rotate Network. This is where you can organise your airline, coordinate your pilots and manage flight plans. Here you can also coordinate and communicate with pilots in your airline and everyone else on the network. The Rotate Manager is where you participate in the Global Economy by managing your airline effectively. Keep your logistics smooth, and challenge your airline pilots to help turn a profit. We offer a modernised infrastructure, one which we want to update and upgrade. The features we have now are just the beginning, and with you, we will be able to grow and evolve. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flavio Borgna 1 Posted November 11, 2017 9,00 eur / month are you sure? Don't think many people will be out there? 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sebastian Munz 8 Posted November 11, 2017 @Flavio Borgna and all others who are thinking that this is too much money. The most of us are part of an existing network. We are improving our sims and aeroplanes as much as we can and investing a lot of our money into this hobby. I am spending more than just 9 EUR per month for this hobby and this for much less. And for sure what are 9 EUR per month? - nothing! for the time we use this service! And I pay a lot more for other hobbies per month. (And perhaps there will be discounts for longer subscriptions ) I was waiting for years that anything is going to be improved at the current networks but nothing happened! I didn't thought, that I would ever have a new one. This is our all chance to get a new and awesome network with tools and software included that will never be seen on the current ones. This is our chance to unite the networks into one big network. If this will fail I don't think that a second chance will come and we will stick in the old ones forever until they die. So let us all do the start and switch to Rotate as others will follow us. And just think how full the airspaces will be if we can unite them into one I am happy to be with you all guys in this great, new network. best whishes Sebastian 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miguel Teixeira 3 Posted November 11, 2017 Guys, in future in possible add paypal payments? Thanks. Regards, Miguel Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oliver Wendland 10 Posted November 11, 2017 I think, Creditcard is required for the Kickstarter Campain and be sure, that alternative Payment Method´s are coming later. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Björn Tuma 17 Posted November 12, 2017 (edited) i'm personally happy with this price.. of course i would looking forward to maybe get a discount for longterm membership ;-) Only thing i would had guessed, would have been that ATC-only were free. So like at an other network only pilots pay for the service ;-) At the end the quality of your announced features will make the decision. People will watch out for Streams/video's of this network and think twice if they want to apply.. this can have con's but also pro's! Edit: One Question. Will VA-Manager also require to make a subscription to use Airline features for there pilots? Example: Person A is the CEO of his VA ABC. Some of his pilots want to fly on this network. Person A is no subscriper, but he wants to have his Schedules and that stuff of his airline entered in the network. Will this be possible? Edited November 12, 2017 by Björn Tuma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted November 12, 2017 Hey @Björn Tuma in order to register an airline with Rotate you need to be a member. If this VA CEO does not want to be a paying member then he might give one of his airline members, who are registered with us, the permission to act on his behalf in the Rotate network. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Björn Tuma 17 Posted November 12, 2017 3 hours ago, Martin Hübner said: Hey @Björn Tuma in order to register an airline with Rotate you need to be a member. If this VA CEO does not want to be a paying member then he might give one of his airline members, who are registered with us, the permission to act on his behalf in the Rotate network. sounds fair Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Roman Geber 7 Posted November 13, 2017 On 11/11/2017 at 11:31 AM, Flavio Borgna said: 9,00 eur / month are you sure? Don't think many people will be out there? I voiced concerns about that price tag as well. After all, it's a 108 EUR/year offering. Quite a lot. But it seems as if additional value would be packaged along with the membership. Also, annual payments will be rewarded. On other forums people suggested a free trial period. I think of that as a good idea to help convince users. Personally I hope for a kickstarter lifetime option or another lifetime membership. Not a big fan of recurring payments. cu Roman Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Björn Tuma 17 Posted November 13, 2017 there are other services which takes the same or even more and offer even less.. i'm sure it's fair and that people will join it 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Didier PARISY 2 Posted November 13, 2017 According to the possibilites of each application, I think the price is correct. I think it will pay the leasing of server and any services to maintain a professional quality of the tools. That's fair ! And again, why not a discount for longterm membership 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Kuster 3 Posted November 13, 2017 I think the difficult part will be to initially reach the critial number of members which are willing to pay for a network of which the success and the activity are be unknown. Either you find enough people taking this "risk", or you have to offer special conditions. Time will show. To come back to a question raised earlier in the ACC forum regarding reward of members contributing to the value of the network. I'm not expecting you pay anyone since I guess the money will be needed to cover infrastructure costs. But a clear transparency regarding finances will definitely improve confidence. My original question was concerning local ACC units and its work to be done to provide specific training documents, charts, ATC procedures, ATC client data, organize events, negotiate LoAs et cetera. There will be a huge need of local knowledge to bring in realism and you will depend on such people to make it really a vital network. So the entire network and all members only taking that services and information provided will profit from this knowledge and work and pay for it. Probably similar to the work of the software developers. Do they contribute for free and also pay a fee? Or will members with essential contributions profit from any benefit? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sebastian Munz 8 Posted November 13, 2017 @Jonas Kuster In my mind I don't think that any of the community staff should get a discount. Even a discount will be like a payment for there work. I think there will be enough out there that are happy to man such positions without getting payed for it. For me I really like to think of navigation procedures and provide them to others. This took me hundreds of hours in the past. But I don't think that I need a discount or get payed for this work. If someone don't want to work he don't need to man a staff position. And for all the others it is fun to do that. And what can be better than a person that wants to do event planning or navigational stuff because he likes it and not because he want to have the discount and get payed. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Roman Geber 7 Posted November 14, 2017 17 hours ago, Jonas Kuster said: I'm not expecting you pay anyone since I guess the money will be needed to cover infrastructure costs. Infrastructure shouldn't be much of a factor. Servers and network traffic are cheap enough to run IVAO/VATSIM several times over on a small budget, especially if leaner protocols and modern development techniques are used. The way I see it Rotate is a for profit company. Being able to pay developers, designers, painters, modellers, etc. allows them to spend a lot of time developing the network initially and then keeping it up to date. Volunteer based projects may not have that manpower available. Still, I salute the volunteer devs at IVAO/VATSIM for what they've done. One can only imagine what a company with a healthy, stable membership base can do. cu Roman Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Kuster 3 Posted November 14, 2017 Don't get me wrong, I think it's fair to ask for a membership fee. It just should be clear what is paid from it so nobody raises wrong expectations. This could be crucial for the success. I am personally sceptic that members are willing to contribute the same way as on networks like IVAO/VATSIM. They might get lazy and not feel a commitment because "they pay". So I think it's important to provide from the begin a ready-to-use solution and not only ensure working programs and infrastructure, but also the required content and regular reviews and updates in order to establish and maintain a high quality level. It would help if you can "draw the line" between what is payed and provided and what has to be completed by the paying members. Do you consider software developers as part of the community or do you plan to buy this service externally? Will you provide a database for things like navigation data, aircraft, airports, .. ? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted November 14, 2017 Hey, Jonas, have you taken a look at our website? Most of your questions, if not all are answered there. I believe we have made it clear in each and every feature release, what you get and where we depend on the community. 2 hours ago, Jonas Kuster said: They might get lazy and not feel a commitment because "they pay" Does not make sense to me. Let me just say, the overwhelmingly positive commitment and contributions we have gotten from the community prove otherwise. 2 hours ago, Jonas Kuster said: Do you consider software developers as part of the community or do you plan to buy this service externally? Will you provide a database for things like navigation data, aircraft, airports, .. ? Find out more at https://rotate.network/ and our feature releases, where we tell you exactly what you can expect from Rotate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Kuster 3 Posted November 14, 2017 12 minutes ago, Martin Hübner said: Let me just say, the overwhelmingly positive commitment and contributions we have gotten from the community prove otherwise. Nice to hear. Really hoping for an evolution to replace the old networks. 15 minutes ago, Martin Hübner said: Find out more at https://rotate.network/ and our feature releases, where we tell you exactly what you can expect from Rotate. Not really found an answer there, this is why I asked here. Nothing published yet about data management of ATC software or organisation of developers. So I expect then this to be announced at a later stage. I'll read all the posts anyway. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted November 14, 2017 All Rotate software will be built, maintained and updated by our own in-house developers. There will be global navigational data available, including AIRAC data. Local procedures are still in the hands of local ACCs or FIRs. Everything that gets created by a local organisation (ACC or FIR) with our editor for navigational data must be approved and is then added to the global database. We will keep you posted on new developments Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Kuster 3 Posted November 14, 2017 Just saw the latest feature release post, which answered most of my questions. I probably should be more patient ... 1 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Roman Geber 7 Posted November 17, 2017 Thanks for the lifetime option on the Kickstarter Campaign. Not cheap but I think this is around the same I paid for Star Trek Online when it came out. Paid off for more then a decade as I hopped on and off that game every now and then. So it's a fair amount to ask for. Would be nice if early life timers could also access Alpha/Beta and be counted as Founders. After all, they too have to wait for at least a year to see any return on ... erm, the expense cu Roman Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted November 17, 2017 Yeah after giving it more thought, you are right. We have updated the perks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Roman Geber 7 Posted November 17, 2017 Just saw that, thank you Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nicolas Moreau 1 Posted November 17, 2017 I have also no problem with subscription. no issue to pay and get improvement on a regular basis. its like other platform such as blizzard, iracing and stuff like that. More expensive than buy a boxed DVD but it worth it... if the game and platform get update obviously Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites